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January 19, 2007

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gene berman

Could you lay out a supposition of some cognitive change stimulating out-migration that would show up as the result of reconstruction of the N genome? I can think of a number of developments with such stimulant-potential but they're all in the category of social (rather than some specific, physically-related cognitive) advancement.

Abiola

"Could you lay out a supposition of some cognitive change stimulating out-migration that would show up as the result of reconstruction of the N genome?"

I'd guess that it would either be a change in our ability to use language, or else a newfound propensity to want to try new things, even when what we know seems to work well enough. Perhaps the male intoxication with "new, better" gadgetry for its own sake is a manifestation of this new trait ...

"I can think of a number of developments with such stimulant-potential but they're all in the category of social (rather than some specific, physically-related cognitive) advancement."

The problem with the social argument from where I stand is that one then has to explain why our ancestors from so relatively recently had only an effective population size of ~1,000 people, even though we know closely related groups of Homo were around at the time, many skeletally indistinguishable from this one. One also then has to explain what possible social change would lead even toddlers to engage in the sorts of random creative acts that supposedly fully modern humans didn't for more than 100,000 years - look at the stone toolkits of these "modern" humans and you'll be shocked by just how uniform they are over such an enormously long period, as if it simply never bothered them to keep doing the same thing over and over, generation after generation, in the way it would bother almost any of us. Perhaps it really didn't, and the capacity for boredom is in fact a very recent addition to our mental kit.

gene berman

There's a Yiddish word--nooge--I guess related to "nudge." And that was my intention: to gently nudge you in the direction you've chosen (above), which (I'd guess) should properly work to get you back as a contributor or commenter on such matters over at GNXP.

Abiola

"should properly work to get you back as a contributor or commenter on such matters over at GNXP"

As long as the likes of "godlesscapitalist" and Jason Malloy are still using GNXP as a soapbox for their obsessions with "proving" black mental inferiority, there's absolutely no chance of my doing so. Human population genetics is a fascinating subject, but I'm not going to do anything to legitimize those willing to use all sorts of specious arguments and junk data to push their racist agendas.

sophia

Abiola,

John Hawks has published several papers which do seem to support a modified multiregional hypothesis ("adaptive introgression", possibly from Neandertals, or other archaic human pop'ns). I wonder what you make of them. I admit that I am out of my depth on these subjects and thus do not feel confident to venture an opinion.

Sophia

Abiola

Hawks has lots of ideas, some of them on the mark and some less so. I put his claims for soft multiregionalism in the latter category, as there's not a shred of evidence for it, and to the extent he buys into such theories he's definitely in a tiny and ever-diminishing scientific minority.

The basic problem with multiregionalism-lite is that it's like the "God of the gaps" argument, in that no matter how much evidence one musters against it, one can never definitely disprove the assertion that Neandertals interbred with humans but the evidence just hasn't been found yet, or that the Neandertal genes were simply overwhelmed by the human contribution (the net effect of this latter claim would be exactly the same as no interbreeding). Soft multiregionalists can always immunize their position against falsification in a way the more hardcore types cannot, and to the extent that they do their claims have left the realm of science (I haven't read all of John Hawks' work, so I'm not about to accuse him of belonging to this group).

radek

I can't say that I know about the genetics but the paper itself makes a lot of sense. The way I understand it is this;
Say human population in 8000BC is 5 mil. Then
(5mil/L0)^(1/n)=1+r
where L0 is the founding population, n is the time between the initial outmigration and r is the average growth rate of world population, taken over all demes weighted appropriately. L0, n and r are then parameters to be estimated. The authors then use the structure of the model and genetic variance to find the best fitting values of these parameters and that's how they get their numbers.
A lot of the parameter values though make sense from point of view of economic/demographic considerations. The estimated growth rate of population fits pretty well with what other folks've estimated for example. Furthermore "Our model further points to high growth rates in newly colonized habitats" fits pretty well with a Malthusian type model with migration - I've got a dinky one of my own that I made up for other purposes but it definetly fits this pattern.
The assumptions of an assumed pop growth rate (logistic is plausible but why?) - which should be a function of Malthusian pressure - and of constant migration rate which should respond to pop/resource differentials - as the authors themselves note - could be relaxed. Also the thing about carrying capacity - but this would involve some serious value judgements and here I think assuming same K for all demes is a safe way to go.

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