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July 07, 2005

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Frank McGahon

Oh, I'd say it's a certainty. I heard some fool on the radio suggest it might have been the work of "anti-capitalist" protesters - give me a break!

You're quite right that it doesn't have the ring of an IRA attack, even a "Real IRA" attack, especially if it turns out, as I think likely, that this was a series of suicide bombs

J.Cassian

Now come on, it can't possibly be Islamists, it's got to be the Tamil Tigers...

Abiola Lapite

Nah, it has to be the handiwork of the Buddhists; those Zen monks can get real testy about their koans, you know.

Factory

Hmm AQ (and affilates) don't seem to have much ability to make 9/11 style attacks anymore, while they do seem to be attempting simultaneous bombings, they have not tried any large scale attacks. Which prolly (and hopefully) means that 9/11 was just a one off event.

hercules

"I'd say the odds are pretty damned high that most of the perpetrators will turn out to have been either Middle Easterners or from South Asia."

Hell, not just that, I'd be willing to bet that some are *British* born South Asians - most likely Sunni Pakistanis. They might have been born in Britain, but it's still Dar-ul-harb, ya see. Damned 5th columnists.

P.S. These Muslim leaders are un-fucking-believable.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4660411.stm

These assholes seem to have scant regard for the lives of Kufrs/Shirks:


"Muslim Association of Britain president Ahmed Sheikh said the attacks would make the Muslim community less safe."

It's all about the poor victimized Moslem becoming even more vulnerable. Ughh ...

Abiola Lapite

What, you mean you actually *expected* even a token show of concern for non-Muslims from the likes of the MAB? Why should they allow 90 casualties and a likely death toll in the scores stand in the way of positioning Muslims as "victims" of a backlash which hasn't arisen, in response to actions of other members of their faith? Poor persecuted creatures!

KXB

First off - hope you and your family are safe.

While I have critiqued the Brits in the past - there is no doubt in my mind that they will pull through this. A nation which survived the nightly raids of the Luftwaffe can handle the intentions of the Islamists.

hercules

Well, if they were Islamic radicals who had immigrated or come to study in the U.K., there could possibly have been some degree of control over their activities that the government could have exercised (immigrants' rights < citizens' rights), as well as the fact that entry itself could have been restricted.
But how does one deal with the problem of authentic home-grown Jihadis ?

Chuckles

Has anyone started singing the "Islam: A Religion of Peace" Anthem yet? The obvious truth: That the Islamists are Imperialists seems to be lost on many leftists around the world who wear their condemnation of Western Xtian Imperialism on their sleeves. The fact; That Global Islamist Hegemony is the goal of these people is lost on those who earn their keep deploring the evil of America.
One has witnessed too much death, hate speech and depredation on the streets of Nigeria to ever, ever possess a shred of sympathy for these devils.
Now, of course, someone is going to tell me that this is retaliation for Western incursion into Dar Es Islam. Yeah right...when Native Americans start blowing up bridges in 2005, perhaps I'll listen.
Under conditions like this, practice is no different from "true" doctrine. Marxist claims that socialist depredations were the result of poor "application" make about as much sense as claiming that Terrorists are Islamic anomalies or aberrations. If we pull no punches in our condemnation of Communist totalitarians and identify their ideology as the problem; why all the kids gloves with Islam?

Abiola Lapite

"If we pull no punches in our condemnation of Communist totalitarians and identify their ideology as the problem; why all the kids gloves with Islam?"

Because the Communists never learned just how effective brazen intimidation can be in dealing with criticism, nor did they have the inspiration to pass criticism of their beliefs off as "racism" and "Islamophobia."

J.Cassian

I can see "The Onion" headline: "Tragedy as Muslim Sense of Victimhood Damaged by London Attacks". Or maybe that's one for "The Guardian".

Factory

Erm, I hate to say the obvious but _most_ of the Islamic community in the UK don't have anything to do with this and don't support it, yet they will be hit with the fifth columnists references and expected to act as if they were somehow responsible.

Chuckles

[...yet they will be hit with the fifth columnists references and expected to act as if they were somehow responsible...]

Perhaps such a line of reasoning would have more credibility when Moslem organizations that seem to have so much money to deplore anti Islamic behaviour and Saidian Orientalism will put more of their good resources to use in open condemnation of the AQ types. There is far too great a silence in the Islamic community for my liking. One cant help feeling that a lot of Moslems sympathize with the AQ people; open jubilation on the Streets at the news of 9/11 is not an empathetic response to tragedy - yet this was the case in Kano and Kaduna - a quick glance at the global Islamic media at the point in time reveals much of the same approach albeit cloaked by the "...of course this is a terrible tragedy BUT..." dodge.

hercules

"I hate to say the obvious but _most_ of the Islamic community in the UK don't have anything to do with this and don't support it, yet they will be hit with the fifth columnists references and expected to act as if they were somehow responsible."

Er, the fifth columnist reference was made with respect to the Islamist terrorists. Anyway, talking about support, if memory serves, I do recollect reading about a survey in Sunday Times after 9/11 that showed that 40% of British Muslims felt that Osama was justified in having the twin towers blown up. Well, you could argue that these British Muslims feel differently about Britain, but frankly I doubt it. I'd bet that those British Muslims who supported 9/11 think in terms of believers and "enemies of Allah."

J.Cassian

Well, not so long ago large numbers of the UK Muslim community managed to take to the streets to protest because someone had published a book they didn't like, so I don't see why they can't take a similar stand against AQ. After all, in Italy after Aldo Moro was murdered there were mass protests by ordinary people against the Red Brigades who claimed they were killing in the name of the "Italian proletariat". It'd be a nice gesture if it happened here, but I won't be holding my breath.

rmiles

what is it - 40 dead? who cares. 1000 a day die in the Congo - I don't see that on the news.

Won Joon Choe

Aren't you and some members of your family currently residing in London, Abiola? If so, I hope you guys were far away from the blasts.

We live in a very scary times indeed. I really don't think I am going to feel safe using the subway system here in NY any longer--though I usually cab it anyways.

dsquared

The MAB actually put out a statement condemning the attacks fairly early on; Hercules is excerpting from a news report.

With my contrarian hat on, I'm going to suggest that a lone lunatic actually can't be ruled out at this stage (remember the Brick Lane nailbomber?). Those look like "co-ordinated attacks" but they could actually have been put together by one bloke at King's Cross station (who would have put the Edgware Road bomb on a westbound Circle Line train, hopped over the platforms to put the Aldgate bomb on an eastbound circle, taken a two minute walk to put the third bomb on a southbound Piccadilly Line train and then walked out of the station to get on a number 30 bus). Also looking at the pictures of the bus and comparing them to pictures of bus atrocities in Israel, it doesn't seem to me that whoever did this had access to large amounts of explosives.

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