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July 13, 2005

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David B

It may seem perverse, but personally I find the latest news about the London bombers mildly reassuring. The bombers themselves are dead, so they won't be planting any more bombs, and they left enough clues to enable the police to identify them and track down their 'factory', etc, very quickly. The Times this morning suggests that they *wanted* to be identified, as some kind of act of defiance, but it looks to me more like incompetence. It will enable their associates and maybe accomplices to be rounded up, which can hardly have been their intention.

In the longer run, the big question is whether there will be more 'home-grown' bombers. I am mildly optimistic about this. I don't doubt that there are hundreds of extemist loonies out there, but I think there will be such genuine shock and shame in the Muslim community (and not least the bombers' own families) that any aspiring bombers will be discouraged. It is quite different from e.g. Palestine, where the bombers are celebrated as heroes.

Also, anyone who has lived through the last week in Britain will see the utter horror and futility of atrocities like this. Just read the lists of victims to see how they include every conceivable race, ethnic group, and religion - including, inevitably, Muslims.

Abiola

"The bombers themselves are dead, so they won't be planting any more bombs, and they left enough clues to enable the police to identify them and track down their 'factory', etc, very quickly."

The thing is, though, that the explosive devices they used seem too sophisticated to have been created by these young men, suggesting that there's a master bomb-maker still at large out there, able and willing to give out new packages to any stupid young extremist willing to come forward.

Frank McGahon

Yes and another reason for pessimism is the fact that, in contrast to Madrid*, the use of four suicide bombers suggests that the planners weren't too worried about conserving the numbers of homegrown jihadi - perhaps because there are plenty more where they came from.

*although the Madrid bombers eventually committed suicide, this wasn't their original intention.

Ross

One of the most disturbing facts about these terrorists is that the youngest was just 19, which means he was 15 or 16 when the Taliban-Al Queada camps in Afghanistan were destroyed, and was therefore trained and recruited somewhere else.

Andrew

He might not have been "trained" to any degree of sophistication. Sounds like current speculation is that these guys had some sort of "mastermind" commander who might have provided the technical knowledge, and then used these guys as "foot soldiers." And though I agree with Abiola in opposing the ID card scheme, it occurs to me that it is possible that this "mastermind" (if he exists) could be a foreigner who might have been prevented from advising these guys if ID cards were in place. Obviously this is all speculation at this point... I guess we will know more soon.

Abiola

"it occurs to me that it is possible that this "mastermind" (if he exists) could be a foreigner who might have been prevented from advising these guys if ID cards were in place."

But all of Europe outside of Britain already has ID cards in place, and they must be shown on entering the UK as Britain isn't part of the Schengen agreement. ID cards didn't work on this occasion, just as they didn't work in Spain, or in Germany when Mohammed Atta were there - you first have to know *who* to look for, and unless you have a spy for each and every Muslim in your population, there's virtually no chance you'll pick up on someone who restricts his contacts to "cleanskins" he deals with only through third or even fourth parties.

eoin

Here's what amounts to an (almost) apologia for the bombings by a guardian trainee writer, of Islamic descent but British native nationality - who spends one paragraph with a desultory "condemnation" of the bombings as "not the way to express your political anger"; and then proceeds to spend the rest of the diatribe haranguing the West - and his own community, particularly the Imans - for not being radical and politicized enough.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1527323,00.html

Abiola

"Second- and third-generation Muslims are without the don't-rock-the-boat attitude that restricted our forefathers. We're much sassier with our opinions, not caring if the boat rocks or not.

Which is why the young get angry with that breed of Muslim "community leader" who remains silent while anger is seething on the streets."

"Sassier", eh? That's an interesting way of putting it; this scumbucket will fit right into the culture of al-Grauniad ...

Pearsall

I can't believe the Guardian printed that article (well, I can, but it's embarrassing); next, why don't they just invite in a member of the Young BNP to explain why the 'leaders of the white community' have failed them, and then basically threaten the rest of society for not going along with their crazy-assed ideas?

hercules

This BBC article takes the cake : http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4671577.stm

"Now that the bombs have exploded, and thousands of newspaper pages and entire days of air time have been devoted to the horror of it all, and to the poor, decent people who are dead and missing, and to the misguided criminals responsible, perhaps we can stand back from it all and catch our breath."

Misguided criminals ? ROTFL !!

La Bona

Sorry for posting an off topic question here but I think this particular one has a profound impact on our society.


The Pope says “Harry Potter corrupts the young, distorting their understanding of the battle between good and evil”. In a way, he is saying “Harry is Evil, Potter is Satan!”

Well, we know orthodox Christians also despise Uncle Santa Claus and all those at DisneyWorld, do you fancy a world without Cinderella, Snow White and Mr. Mickey Mouse?

La Bona
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DK

Why must it be one or the other?... Islamic zealotry OR Bush and Blair's reckless, deceitful rush to war? Your portrait of liberal "apologists" is nothing but a caricature, and a poor one at that.

Abiola

"Bush and Blair's reckless, deceitful rush to war?"

Uh huh, and it was that woman's fault for getting raped; with her short skirts you know she had to have been asking for it ...


"Your portrait of liberal "apologists" is nothing but a caricature, and a poor one at that."

From your response, my "caricature" is anything but: to blame Bush and Blair for the murderous actions of Islamic fanatics is the most digusting and shameless excuse-making for terrorism.

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