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April 09, 2005

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Julian Elson

Interesting point. The question that hits me, then, is "why is it that all sexually unattractive (vis-a-vis straight white male employers) groups get "normal" wage along with white non-obese women, while an obese white woman gets a wage penalty? Why isn't it that other people get normal wages EXCEPT white, non-obese women, and white non-obese women get a wage bonus?" At a simplistic, first-glance analysis, if wages are based on sexual attractiveness, then that explains the lack of a big gap between obese men and non-obese men, but one might expect obese women to be put into the same category as men, with sexually attractive women getting a bonus, rather than obese women getting a penalty that doesn't apply to other non-sexually attracting groups.

Abiola Lapite

"Why isn't it that other people get normal wages EXCEPT white, non-obese women, and white non-obese women get a wage bonus?"

Maybe because their bosses hold their lack of attractiveness against them, as if it were something they ought by right to provide as part of the job.

Shai

I'm just wondering if there is an effect on the person of a more general systematic bias of society. The effect on self esteem when being treated with contempt or indifference*, an additive effect of the bias that causes little opportunities to be lost, withdrawl caused by internalization of treatment or negative body image*.

* I got a taste of this last summer when I shaved my head. before, most people seemed pleasant. after I would run into at least a few people a day who were very unpleasant. i did start feeling a little anxious, but before that the only change was in my appearance.

* e.g. notice how less attractive people often place themself in the periphery of a photograph... maybe that's a metaphor for what happens in social relationships at work, so maybe part of the effect is a little indirect

all just random speculation of course

Abiola Lapite

"I got a taste of this last summer when I shaved my head. before, most people seemed pleasant. after I would run into at least a few people a day who were very unpleasant."

Perhaps that had less to do with how they perceived your attractiveness and more to do with a fear that you harbored skinhead sensibilities?

Shai

well by shaved I didn't mean to the skin, but yeah I do have blue eyes. i think it was more the goofy looking ears and facial features that need a little support from the hair, because this was with people i've interacted with before too. also, when you wear nice clothes people tend to expect more from your appearance. jeans and t-shirt you're not noticed at all and no one does a double take wondering why you aren't in your place.

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