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January 08, 2009

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Marmot

Not that I don't agree with you --- actually, I do --- but this part: "Now, even ignoring the fact that Israel's actions in Gaza were preceded by Hamas firing more than 5,000 rockets into Israel since seizing power in 2007," might be problematic, since there was a lull in the rocket attacks following the June ceasefire, but attacks resumed after an IDF strike into Gaza to close a tunnel the IDF says was going to be used to kidnap IDF personnel. Personally, I believe the IDF, but it is something people have pointed out in the (surprisingly rancor-free) discussion on my blog:

http://www.rjkoehler.com/2009/01/06/so-i-take-it-you-dont-support-the-gaza-offensive-then/

And was wondering how you'd respond to that.

Andrew Reeves

I was somewhat grimly amused by the folks in the march brandishing pictures of Che, as I often am when one sees young western commies marching alongside Muslim fundamentalists. I just wonder if anyone has sat them down and explained to them, "You know, they're not actually on your side..."*

(Although in fairness there is also a secular leftist Palestinian movement, which, though mostly defunct still has some adherents.)

*See, for example, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammed_Najibullah#Death

Abiola

"there was a lull in the rocket attacks following the June ceasefire, but attacks resumed after an IDF strike into Gaza to close a tunnel the IDF says was going to be used to kidnap IDF personnel"

Considering that one of the conditions for Israel's agreeing to the ceasefire was that Hamas would negotiate in good faith to release Gideon Shalit, and that nothing of the sort actually took place, I don't see any reason at all to doubt the IDF's rationale for acting. Given how much leverage a single kidnap victim had given Hamas, why wouldn't they want to try for more?

"Although in fairness there is also a secular leftist Palestinian movement, which, though mostly defunct still has some adherents."

The thing is, that leftist movement isn't the party executing a proxy war on Iran's behalf via the Gaza strip. These communist Hamas supporters are simply idiots who leap at the chance to oppose anything and anyone America seems to be supporting - which in this case means Israel - and Hugo Chavez is the biggest such idiot of all.

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2009/01/10/news/LT-Venezuela-Israel.php

I'm sure El Presidente needs all the "gestures of dignity" he can get to distract his supporters now that he no longer has high oil prices to make him look like a genius ...

http://www.csmonitor.com/2009/0108/p04s04-woam.html

Also see this:

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/world/latin-america-and-caribbean-politics/story/842633.html

There's an interesting parallel going on here: Hugo Chavez and Hamas are what people get when they vote for lunatics telling them the fairy tales they want to hear.

Ross

The Chavez alignment with Iran and its proxies is interesting because of the tensions it highlights with other Chavez allies.

One of the governments which is closest to his ideologically is that of Argentina under the Kirchners. Whilst they are pretty similar to Chavez in most respects with an insane economic policy and relfexive anti Americanism, they are actively seeking the arrest and extradition of members of the Iranian regime over the bombing of the Buenos Aires Jewish centre a decade ago.

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