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February 20, 2007

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Antti Leppanen

Seems that my old blog note has been rediscovered during the Rhie affair, fine.

Most tragic here is that the writer who wrote that drivel in an introduction to his novel, Jo Jung-rae, can be very insightful and illustrative at his best, and I enjoyed tremendously his later 10-volume novel "Han River", where this nation thing appears only sporadically. I find Jo's nationalism at best bearable and at worst appalling, but I admire him as a writer who can relate to people he's writing about. (By doing this "disservice" to Jo of translating his piece, it should be clear that I have no need to defend him in this...)

You should also note that the Korean counterpart in the comments of Marmot's Hole is not actually Korean but Korean-American; I hardly can recall any Korean who's been raised and educated in Korea having commented there, so I wouldn't take those cases as representative of Koreans. (And yes, Korean online mobs can be thuggish at worst.)

Abiola

"You should also note that the Korean counterpart in the comments of Marmot's Hole is not actually Korean but Korean-American"

Yes, you're right about "Pawikirogi", at least according to what he says about where he lives: the reason I referred to him as Korean is because that is the identification he seems to prefer, at least whenever he's interested in hurling insults at "expats" and non-white Klansmen ...

"I hardly can recall any Korean who's been raised and educated in Korea having commented there, so I wouldn't take those cases as representative of Koreans."

Funnily enough, I know of one such Korean myself, though I won't mention names for fear of siccing super-patriots (many of whom who aren't even Korean citizens) on said person.

I know from firsthand experience that there *are* rationally-minded Koreans who are able to look on the history of their nation with detachment and in context, but the problem is that their voices count for little amidst all the nationalistic rhetoric pouring forth even from supposedly sober newspapers like the Chosun (let alone Hankyoreh). Compared to what I see coming from the Korean media when any of the usual shibboleths come up, even the Sankei Shimbun, despised by liberal-leaning Japanese people as intolerably right-wing, seems an exemplar of political moderation and restraint; the average Korean is no VANKer, to be sure, but it's more than just a minority cheering their exploits on, and Korean politicians engage in stupid stunts like the following

http://www.occidentalism.org/?p=12

because they know most of the domestic audience will eat it up. Indeed, the polls tell much the same story.

http://www.nautilus.org/fora/security/0601Kim.html

["A recent poll taken in late August and early September by the Chung’ang ilbo national daily showed that an astonishing 62% of Koreans hated Japan. North Korea received 9% while the U.S. received 14%. A poll by the Han’guk ilbo national daily and the Yomiuri Japanese daily in May showed that 57.2% of Koreans saw Japan as a military threat while only 6.2% of the Japanese felt that way about South Korea. Yomiuri’s reporting on the same poll highlighted even more disturbing figures. A record 90% of South Koreans said they distrusted Japan and 89% thought bilateral ties were negative. In contrast 59% of Japanese said they trusted South Korea and 60% thought bilateral ties were positive."]

Jim

I find it interesting how some Korean Americans themselves seem to inherit the same nationalistic zeal that their brethren in the homeland have. The Youtube video that Occidentalism posted confirms this as well.

Speaking as a native Southern Californian, I never really encountered these rabid anti-Japanese Korean Americans. In fact, I remember meeting this nice Korean American gal at my previous job who made fun of her grandmother's attitude towards Japanese. Her grandmother made the claim that Koreans were superior because they have their own unique singular alphabet while Japanese use three different alphabets in their language.

Granted it makes Japanese a bit of a complicated language, but it doesn't make it inferior.

But, since the internet does provide a safe haven for the looniest, most brain-dead fanatics of society, it's not surprising that guys like Pawikrogi, Origami, and similar trolls add so much hubris to Marmot's comment sections. At least Marmot himself rebuffs those guys from time to time.

professays

What do you think of it: 5-6 million Ukrainian civilians killed by Nazi during1941-43. It is a historical fact. What about Slavonic population of Belorussia, Russia, Poland and Yugoslavia. The human victims of these nations exceeds the ones of Jews. However, only Jews manage to benefit from the war in which they never participated.

Abiola

What do I think? I think anyone who can belt out antisemitic nonsense like "only Jews manage to benefit from the war in which they never participated" is a depraved individual with whom I want nothing to do.

professays

Yeah, perhaps you will call tha millions of innocent Belorussian, Ukrainian, Serbian and Russian civilians murdered by German occupants antisemitic nonsense as well?

professays

Or they were depraved individuals like me?

professays

Or they were depraved individuals like me?

Abiola

What a ridiculous non-sequitur! Were they murdered by Jews? Do you think mass murder is a competition or something?

I don't have time for such illogical nonsense: in fact, I really should have banned you after your first comment.

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