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November 19, 2004

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razib

porn is bad for bad people.

von

Erm, it was Edward Underscore, not I, who linked the article on porn. But thanks for the link.

Abiola Lapite

Thanks for the pointer; I've corrected the attribution now.

Shai

the video games cause violence and bullying people aren't that different. I'm thinking Craig Nelson etc. Things like "The zero-order correlations (Table 1) showed that only gender of participant reliably correlated with crime likelihood estimates" and "The cross-sectional nature of this study does not allow a strong test of this causal hypothesis, but a zero or negative correlation would have disconfirmed the hypothesis" are inflated into an unquestionable link, sadly because Mr. Nelson has an agenda in addition to the distorting effects of the media.

the imitation people are closer to this case, leaning on studies that "demonstrate" causation by having kids play video games and then within five minutes observe that they are more aggressive on the playground. (employing a generous definition of 'aggressive', not mentioning that their data are already explained by framing effects which are typically temporary, ignoring how 'imitation' is literally false totally unlike the rehearsal that happens when, for example, watching a basketball game, that in some ways "hyper violent" games like counterstrike are more like a game of tag, etc)

Shai

and that reminded me of a funny anecdote from today. I was playing with my 2 year old neice who recently saw the incredibles. she's imitating one of the super kids and says "i'm going to punch your face off". I'm a little shocked for some reason and say "well, then the police will come and take you to jail". she looks annoyed, thinking I'm an idiot and says "NO! I mean PRETEND!"

Abiola Lapite

she looks annoyed, thinking I'm an idiot and says "NO! I mean PRETEND!"

It's so simple even young children get it, but Senators seem to find the distinction beyond their powers!

I think the ultimate refutation of all the nonsense about the "addictive" or "harmful" effects of porn or violence is Japan: men read violently pornographic magazines and comic books openly on the subway, and yet the country enjoys a level of crime that Americans can only dream of.

Temporary

While they are at it - why dont they get rid of the Songs of Solomon?

I daresay a translation of that work in Modern-Speak would set pulpits all over the name aflame!

Breasts like Twin Towers? Secret Realms between the thighs?

Why! An animated rendition of the Songs of Solomon would be good way to introduce Sex-Ed to the Kids!

Temporary

While they are at it - why dont they get rid of the Songs of Solomon?

I daresay a translation of that work in Modern-Speak would set pulpits all over the nation aflame!

Breasts like Twin Towers? Secret Realms between the thighs?

Why! An animated rendition of the Songs of Solomon would be good way to introduce Sex-Ed to the Kids!

Timothy Burke

All of this kind of crap pseudoscientific research functions, whatever its experimental models or statistical data, through a complete evasion of the large-scale social history of the strong linkage arguments that get peddled. These are, if you take them seriously, predictive claims: X behavior produces Y social problem, ergo, if X behavior rises, then Y social problem should rise as well. So, if watching violence on TV causes violent or "antisocial" behavior (my least favorite term ever in social psychology, "antisocial"), and the researcher can demonstrate a rise in frequency of representation of violence on TV, then there should be a corresponding rise in social incidents of violence. Don't expect to hear a damn thing about it when there isn't, or when any of the ostensible predictions of this work bear no resemblance to actual events.

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